{"id":1264,"date":"2021-03-21T18:05:40","date_gmt":"2021-03-21T17:05:40","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.ifla.org\/cpdwl\/?p=1264"},"modified":"2021-03-21T18:05:40","modified_gmt":"2021-03-21T17:05:40","slug":"cpdwl-podcast-project-season-2-episode-6-jonathan-hernandez-with-sara-ulloa","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.ifla.org\/cpdwl\/2021\/03\/21\/cpdwl-podcast-project-season-2-episode-6-jonathan-hernandez-with-sara-ulloa\/","title":{"rendered":"CPDWL Podcast Project Season 2, Episode 6: Jonathan Hern\u00e1ndez with Sara Ulloa"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Colleagues, we are excited to announce the our final episode of the CPDWL Podcast Project (Season 2) where we feature library and information professionals who support and participate in professional development work.<\/p>\n<p>To see the episode, see here:\u00a0https:\/\/anchor.fm\/ifla-cpdwl\/episodes\/S2E6-Jonathan-Hernndez-with-Sara-Ulloa-In-Spanishen-Espaol-eo3apu<\/p>\n<p>Transcript and translation are below. Transcribed\/Translated by Juanita de Sumar.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.ifla.org\/cpdwl\/files\/2020\/12\/111.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-1265\" src=\"https:\/\/blogs.ifla.org\/cpdwl\/files\/2020\/12\/111-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"220\" height=\"220\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blogs.ifla.org\/cpdwl\/files\/2020\/12\/111-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/blogs.ifla.org\/cpdwl\/files\/2020\/12\/111-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/blogs.ifla.org\/cpdwl\/files\/2020\/12\/111.jpg 420w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 220px) 100vw, 220px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Our guest is Dr. Jonathan Hern\u00e1ndez.\u00a0Jonathan\u00a0Hern\u00e1ndez\u00a0is an associated researcher at the Library and Information Institute (IIBI) at the National Autonomous University of Mexico (UNAM) where he is also a library professor. His research interest focuses on information diversity, misinformation, and digital forgotten.\u00a0 He is a former President of the Professional Library Association of Mexico (CNB) and\u00a0currently, he is a member of the\u00a0IFLA\u00a0Governing Board.<\/p>\n<p>Jonathan Hern\u00e1ndez se desempe\u00f1a como investigador asociado en el Instituto de Investigaciones Bibliotecol\u00f3gicas y de la Informaci\u00f3n de la UNAM en donde trabaja temas como infodiversidad, acceso a la informaci\u00f3n y desinformaci\u00f3n, forma parte del Seminario \u201cInformaci\u00f3n y Sociedad\u201d del mismo instituto y es profesor del Posgrado en Bibliotecolog\u00eda y Estudios de la Informaci\u00f3n. Ha sido presidente del Colegio Nacional de Bibliotecarios, A.C. y actualmente forma parte de la Junta de Gobierno de la Federaci\u00f3n Internacional de Bibliotecas y Asociaciones Bibliotecarias (IFLA).<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.ifla.org\/cpdwl\/files\/2020\/07\/IMG_1458.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-1022\" src=\"https:\/\/blogs.ifla.org\/cpdwl\/files\/2020\/07\/IMG_1458-293x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"236\" height=\"242\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blogs.ifla.org\/cpdwl\/files\/2020\/07\/IMG_1458-293x300.jpg 293w, https:\/\/blogs.ifla.org\/cpdwl\/files\/2020\/07\/IMG_1458-768x787.jpg 768w, https:\/\/blogs.ifla.org\/cpdwl\/files\/2020\/07\/IMG_1458.jpg 772w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 236px) 100vw, 236px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This conversation was conducted in Spanish by Sara Ulloa, a school librarian from Peru and also a CPDWL Section member.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p><strong>Transcript \/\u00a0<\/strong><b>Transcripci\u00f3n<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:00:02] Hola, bienvenidas y bienvenidos al podcast de la secci\u00f3n de Desarrollo Profesional Continuo y Aprendizaje en el Lugar de Trabajo de la IFLA, la Federaci\u00f3n Internacional de Asociaciones de Bibliotecarios y Bibliotecas.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">En este espacio conversamos con profesionales de la carrera de bibliotecolog\u00eda e informaci\u00f3n para conocer sobre su desarrollo profesional. En esta oportunidad contamos con la presencia de Jonathan Hern\u00e1ndez, desde M\u00e9xico, un joven y muy aspirante bibliotec\u00f3logo, con un claro liderazgo.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Conoc\u00ed a Jonathan cuando lo escuch\u00e9 en una conferencia que dio ac\u00e1 en Per\u00fa en la Universidad Cat\u00f3lica, pues le gusta participar en numerosas conferencias abogando por el acceso a la informaci\u00f3n, la inclusi\u00f3n de las bibliotecas en la Agenda 2030 y la gobernanza de internet.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Estudi\u00f3 en la UNAM, la Universidad Nacional Aut\u00f3noma de M\u00e9xico, donde se encuentra muy activo, por ejemplo, es investigador asociado del Instituto de Bibliotecas e Informaci\u00f3n y miembro del seminario \u201cInformaci\u00f3n y Sociedad\u201d, donde se estudian temas como desinformaci\u00f3n, censura, privacidad y olvido digital.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> [00:01:15] Jonathan Bienvenido.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:01:18] Much\u00edsimas gracias, Sara, es realmente un placer estar aqu\u00ed compartiendo contigo y especialmente para la IFLA, sobre todos estos temas que vamos a tratar.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> [00:01:29] Ok, para empezar, me gustar\u00eda que volvamos un poco a tus inicios, a cuando estabas decidiendo qu\u00e9 estudiar. \u00bfQu\u00e9 fue aquello que te impuls\u00f3 a estudiar Bibliotecolog\u00eda? \u00bfHubo alguna influencia?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:01:43] Pues mira, realmente es muy interesante esta pregunta, porque normalmente cuando entramos a la carrera siempre nos preguntan eso. Porque como sabr\u00e1s, Bibliotecolog\u00eda no es precisamente la carrera m\u00e1s popular, sobre todo cuando est\u00e1s a punto de aspirar a una carrera universitaria. Entonces, los que ya tienen un conocimiento de lo que es la carrera es porque de alguna forma tienen alg\u00fan amigo o alg\u00fan familiar cercano que la estudi\u00f3 y la recomend\u00f3, o que de alguna forma su desarrollo ha estado fuertemente vinculado con la biblioteca. Entonces, en mi caso tuve dos familiares que s\u00ed estudiaron, digamos, la carrera. Uno de ellos se dedic\u00f3 a otra cosa, pero yo s\u00ed me puse a ver, digamos, el plan de estudios. Dije, pues vamos a ver qu\u00e9 me ofrece la carrera. Y me gust\u00f3. Realmente me gust\u00f3 en ese momento y pues bueno, adem\u00e1s indirectamente mi vida siempre ha estado de alguna forma marcada por las bibliotecas y la verdad es que jam\u00e1s pens\u00e9 estar dedicado al cien por ciento a esto. Pero eso fue lo que me impuls\u00f3. S\u00ed, fue una curiosidad por saber de qu\u00e9 se trataba y me encant\u00f3.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> [00:02:54] \u00bfY qu\u00e9 es lo que m\u00e1s te gust\u00f3 de la profesi\u00f3n?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:02:58] Pues me gust\u00f3 much\u00edsimo las posibilidades que puedes tener; es decir, la variedad de enfoques que tiene nuestra carrera, nuestra disciplina. Uno cuando entra, como entra yo creo a la mayor\u00eda de todas las carreras, pues hay una incertidumbre. En qu\u00e9 voy a trabajar; realmente solamente me voy a acotar a este tema; si s\u00f3lo es catalogar, si s\u00f3lo es servicios; si s\u00f3lo es usuarios. Pero cada \u00e1rea tiene unas posibilidades impresionantes. O sea, la propia organizaci\u00f3n de la informaci\u00f3n hoy se ve maximizada con los datos, con los grandes vol\u00famenes de informaci\u00f3n que estamos produciendo, etc\u00e9tera. Entonces, a m\u00ed es lo que m\u00e1s me entusiasma, es decir, todas estas variedades de enfoques que tiene nuestra disciplina y sobre todo la comunidad. La comunidad que se forma, que se genera, que comparte.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> [00:03:49] \u00bfY cu\u00e1l ha sido tu experiencia de trabajo en el campo bibliotecario, ya ejerci\u00e9ndolo?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:03:56]\u00a0 Bueno, yo afortunadamente, lo digo porque Bibliotecolog\u00eda al ser una carrera, digamos, donde hay poco n\u00famero de alumnos estudiando, en el campo laboral, es en cierta forma amplio. Entonces, normalmente, al menos aqu\u00ed en mi pa\u00eds, a partir de la mitad de la carrera, ya poco a poco te puedes ir insertando en el mercado laboral. Entonces yo empec\u00e9, digamos, catalogando en cuestiones de catalogaciones de bibliotecas digitales, lo cual me ayud\u00f3 much\u00edsimo. Es un campo realmente muy apasionante y en el que adem\u00e1s aprendes mucho porque es toda una cuesti\u00f3n de estructura sem\u00e1ntica, de relaciones, etc\u00e9tera. Posteriormente, cuando la vida me llev\u00f3 por la educaci\u00f3n bibliotecaria, yo comenc\u00e9 a trabajar en el posgrado en bibliotecolog\u00eda y estudios de la informaci\u00f3n de la Facultad de Filosof\u00eda y Letras de la UNAM. Y pues bueno, aprovech\u00e9 tambi\u00e9n para estudiar justamente la maestr\u00eda y el doctorado. Y luego me dediqu\u00e9 ya plenamente a la investigaci\u00f3n. Pero en el transcurso, digamos, hice varios proyectos con bibliotecas; por ah\u00ed tambi\u00e9n con asociaciones entonces, y con otros enfoques tambi\u00e9n.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:05:08] Ya que lo mencionas, s\u00ed, realmente tienes una amplia experiencia, ya eres doctor en la carrera. Pero entremos al tema de tu participaci\u00f3n en los gremios<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:05:22] Para ser tan joven tienes una gran participaci\u00f3n tanto en los gremios de tu pa\u00eds como del extranjero. En M\u00e9xico, por ejemplo, fuiste el presidente del Colegio Nacional de Bibliotecarios. \u00bfCu\u00e1l fue el reto m\u00e1s grande que tuviste que enfrentar?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:05:38] Muchas gracias, Sara. Si, efectivamente, por ejemplo, en el caso del Colegio yo particip\u00e9 desde que termin\u00e9 la carrera. Como sabr\u00e1s, en el Colegio para ser socio tienes que ser titulado, entonces yo comenc\u00e9 precisamente luego luego termin\u00e9 la carrera y me titul\u00e9, a afiliarme, a ir a sus congresos, etc\u00e9tera. Tener una participaci\u00f3n con AMBC. AMBAC data de mi participaci\u00f3n cuando yo estaba en la carrera. Tienen un foro de estudiantes que me parece algo muy valioso, sobre todo porque te van introduciendo all\u00ed a los j\u00f3venes en el campo gremial. En cuanto al reto, pues yo creo que en general las asociaciones enfrentan retos comunes y retos muy importantes: la membres\u00eda, posicionar al gremio, y visibilizar. Entonces yo creo que esos fueron los retos m\u00e1s grandes durante la gesti\u00f3n en la que afortunadamente tuve el honor de estar al frente, pues tuve que enfrentarme. Y tambi\u00e9n por otra parte, es demostrar que las personas j\u00f3venes podemos estar a la altura de los retos. Espero haberlo estado junto con mi consejo directivo. La gran mayor\u00eda \u00e9ramos j\u00f3venes tambi\u00e9n afortunadamente tuvimos personas con experiencia que yo creo que esa es la clave. Es decir, relacionarnos y colaborar gente joven con gente que ya tiene experiencia. porque tenemos mucho que aprender. Entonces, para m\u00ed esos fueron los retos m\u00e1s grandes: la membres\u00eda, posicionar al gremio y demostrar precisamente que los j\u00f3venes si podemos mantener y estar a la altura.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> [ [00:07:04] Si sabes, eso me sorprende. Justo lo comentaba con algunos colegas sobre que la participaci\u00f3n en los gremios de los j\u00f3venes. Casi no se da, al menos no en mi pa\u00eds. donde yo veo que no se da. Y como que uno espera terminar la carrera y que pasen muchos a\u00f1os m\u00e1s. Y tambi\u00e9n, no es f\u00e1cil, porque si no te has titulado, pues aqu\u00ed tambi\u00e9n en Per\u00fa no puedes ser parte del Colegio. \u00bfNo?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Claro.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Y algunos, de hecho yo soy yo una de ellas y no puedo formar parte del Colegio porque estoy todav\u00eda haciendo mi tesis. Entonces, por eso me parece bien interesante que nos compartes tu experiencia.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:07:45] Y en cuanto al participaci\u00f3n en gremio internacional, pues eres miembro de la IFLA y participas en su comit\u00e9, en el comit\u00e9 de Libre Acceso a la informaci\u00f3n y libertad de expresi\u00f3n, \u00bfverdad?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:07:59] As\u00ed es, claro.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> [00:08:01] \u00bfY ahora? Ahora hace poco has sido elegido miembro de su Junta, de la Junta Directiva de la IFLA. Cu\u00e9ntanos un poco sobre ello, en qu\u00e9 consiste y cu\u00e1les son tus expectativas respecto a estar en ese cargo<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:08:18] Claro. Mira, ha sido una experiencia muy enriquecedora. Bueno, me gustar\u00eda contar de que mi primera participaci\u00f3n en la IFLA fue hace aproximadamente diez a\u00f1os. Si por ah\u00ed del 2010, fue un concurso, la IFLA hace una selecci\u00f3n de la mejor ponencia de estudiantes y pues bueno, quedamos en un lugar. Me apoy\u00f3 mi universidad y me fui. En ese momento el Congreso fue en Gotemburgo, me parece, si, y a partir de ah\u00ed pude ver la dimensi\u00f3n de la IFLA, todo lo que hace, la colaboraci\u00f3n con otras personas, el gremio internacional y justo yo me present\u00e9 en la sesi\u00f3n del FAIFE o [feif], como lo queramos [pronunciar]. A partir de ese momento no he dejado de estar activo en la IFLA y en el caso del FAIFE, pues me gust\u00f3 much\u00edsimo la forma en la que se defend\u00eda, la forma en la que se abordaban las cuestiones de libertad de expresi\u00f3n y acceso a la informaci\u00f3n, desde una perspectiva bibliotecaria. Entonces ahora se est\u00e1n haciendo cosas muy interesantes en este comit\u00e9. Se han lanzado digamos estatutos, se han lanzado directrices sobre cuestiones que afectan todas estas libertades y cuestiones que pueden ser amenazas. Entonces tuvimos un webinar sobre privacidad muy interesante y hemos estado colaborando tambi\u00e9n con otras secciones, como por ejemplo, para discutir y combatir las fake news, etc\u00e9tera.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:09:41] Y entonces, ahora en lo de la junta directiva. Pues bueno, tambi\u00e9n me gustar\u00eda comentarte de manera muy breve que yo particip\u00e9 en una convocatoria que tuvo la IFLA sobre el Programa de L\u00edderes, de l\u00edderes de la IFLA; programa que ha sido muy interesante, que nos seleccionaron a aproximadamente ocho. No recuerdo exactamente bien el n\u00famero, pero fuimos grandes amigos, somos grandes colegas, tambi\u00e9n amigos de distintas partes del mundo, precisamente como una forma de entrenamiento para que nosotros a su vez podamos inspirar, podamos liderar y podamos colaborar con nuestros colegas, con nuestros amigos aqu\u00ed en nuestros pa\u00edses. Este programa de liderazgo me dio la oportunidad de conocer, digamos, las entra\u00f1as de la IFLA, y despu\u00e9s, de relacionarme, de poder contribuir y de poder tambi\u00e9n asistir a varios eventos en representaci\u00f3n de la IFLA. Fue una experiencia maravillosa y por supuesto me enamor\u00e9 m\u00e1s de la IFLA y me dio pie para poder lanzarme para la Junta de Gobierno de la IFLA y ya en la Junta de Gobierno lo que hacemos es de alguna forma la direcci\u00f3n por la que va la IFLA, es decir, aprobar algunas cuestiones, proponer determinados asuntos y velar tambi\u00e9n por la cuesti\u00f3n financiera, la sustentabilidad de nuestra Federaci\u00f3n. Y particularmente ahorita estamos de lleno en unas reformas para la nueva gobernanza de la IFLA, que est\u00e1 muy interesante. Es un cambio muy, muy importante, porque la IFLA tiene ya much\u00edsimos a\u00f1os, ha estado cambiando tambi\u00e9n estructuras por determinados tiempos, pero ahora, ahora se viene un cambio importante porque es que han hecho varias adecuaciones para hacer una federaci\u00f3n m\u00e1s inclusiva y en eso es lo que hemos estado trabajando todo este a\u00f1o.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:11:32] Ya. Y a nivel de participaci\u00f3n, como tu ves esta regi\u00f3n \u00bfcomo ves la participaci\u00f3n desde Latinoam\u00e9rica en estos comit\u00e9s? Ahora que est\u00e1s en esta junta directiva.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:11:57] Y yo creo que hay muchas oportunidades. Es decir, tendr\u00edamos que ver tambi\u00e9n las necesidades de cada pa\u00eds. Es decir, ahora yo lo que he visto durante estos \u00faltimos a\u00f1os es precisamente una participaci\u00f3n m\u00e1s activa de Latinoam\u00e9rica. Por supuesto, necesitamos m\u00e1s, queremos m\u00e1s y sobre todo de los j\u00f3venes. Entonces, Latinoam\u00e9rica ha tenido una trayectoria con IFLA muy importante. Hay pa\u00edses que han tenido, digamos, grandes oportunidades y que por su tama\u00f1o o por la situaci\u00f3n bibliotecaria, por todas sus instituciones bibliotecarias, han tenido una mayor incidencia. Por ah\u00ed tenemos Brasil, M\u00e9xico, Argentina, etc\u00e9tera, pero ahora se est\u00e1n involucrando m\u00e1s pa\u00edses y esto es gracias precisamente a la tecnolog\u00eda, gracias a los mecanismos que ha hecho la IFLA de Inclusi\u00f3n, gracias a que tenemos tambi\u00e9n, poco a poco vamos por ah\u00ed, personas de Latinoam\u00e9rica involucr\u00e1ndonos en comit\u00e9s.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:12:53] Un claro ejemplo eres t\u00fa, Sara, en este comit\u00e9 y varios tambi\u00e9n que estamos en otros comit\u00e9s que no son necesariamente el comit\u00e9 de LAC y que as\u00ed la gente tambi\u00e9n nos voltea a ver y nosotros tambi\u00e9n proponemos. Y me gustar\u00eda detenerme un poco tambi\u00e9n en esta cuesti\u00f3n de la situaci\u00f3n gremial en Latinoam\u00e9rica de los j\u00f3venes. Muchas veces los movimientos gremiales no son atractivos precisamente para j\u00f3venes por muchas cosas: no se ven reflejados, a veces son las mismas pr\u00e1cticas desde hace d\u00e9cadas, no hay programas para nuevos profesionales. Entonces eso tambi\u00e9n es una situaci\u00f3n que detiene y creo que es necesario tambi\u00e9n refrescar todos estos movimientos. Pero tambi\u00e9n es importante que los j\u00f3venes vayan y participen entonces, porque uno tambi\u00e9n luego se vuelve muy c\u00f3modo. Empezar a decir que bueno, la asociaci\u00f3n no me toma en cuenta, la asociaci\u00f3n es esto, siempre es lo mismo. Pero si yo no voy y si yo no propongo, pues va a seguir siendo as\u00ed por muchos, muchos a\u00f1os. Yo creo que hay muchas ganas, pero hay que tambi\u00e9n ver las caracter\u00edsticas de las asociaciones de LAC, porque la mayor parte de ellas es trabajo voluntario. Y eso pues tambi\u00e9n limita tambi\u00e9n la capacidad de acci\u00f3n de las asociaciones.<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> [00:14:04] S\u00ed, ciertamente. Este\u2026 Ahora quiero ahondar un poquito en tu desarrollo profesional, Seg\u00fan la gu\u00eda de competencias en el campo de la bibliotecolog\u00eda, cada profesional es el principal responsable de perseguir el aprendizaje continuo, que mejore constantemente su conocimiento y destrezas. \u00bfC\u00f3mo es que t\u00fa mantienes tu desarrollo profesional? \u00bfC\u00f3mo alimentas tus conocimientos y destrezas?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:14:33] Mira, yo creo que es una pregunta muy, muy interesante porque, yo coincido con varios profesores que tuve, de hecho, esto lo aprend\u00ed de una de ellas, que el bibliotecario, la bibliotecaria, tiene que estar constantemente actualizado, es decir, una profesora me acuerdo que nos dec\u00eda que ser\u00eda muy vergonzoso que un bibliotecario no est\u00e9 al d\u00eda, \u00bfno?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:14:52] Independientemente de la secci\u00f3n, del departamento, del \u00e1rea de servicios de donde est\u00e9, tiene que estar actualizado de lo que pasa en su entorno y en el mundo. Entonces, al final de cuentas trabajamos con informaci\u00f3n. Entonces, una nueva manera de mantener el estudio profesional, adem\u00e1s de estar actualizado con las noticias, etc\u00e9tera, es ir y asistir a seminarios, a talleres, meterse, en donde podamos tener tiempo. Y eso tambi\u00e9n va a alimentar nuestros conocimientos, las destrezas que podamos tener. El aprendizaje, el autoaprendizaje es fundamental y sobre todo en esta \u00e9poca de pandemia en la que tenemos todos los seminarios a un clic. Nada m\u00e1s es cuesti\u00f3n de encontrar un poco de tiempo. Pero yo estoy de acuerdo con la gu\u00eda de competencias a la que t\u00fa te refieres. Cada profesional al final de cuentas va a ser el responsable de tener, de proseguir el aprendizaje continuo y esto ser\u00eda, digamos, la forma de mantener el desarrollo profesional; estar actualizado en Twitter, en Facebook, ver las noticias, ver de m\u00ed \u00e1rea, de mi inter\u00e9s, que es lo que est\u00e1n hablando aqu\u00ed en Latinoam\u00e9rica, en Estados Unidos, en Europa, en Asia, en otros pa\u00edses, en otras regiones del mundo. Porque tambi\u00e9n es importante tener una visi\u00f3n m\u00e1s amplia de lo que sucede en el resto del mundo, no quedarnos solamente con la visi\u00f3n de una sola regi\u00f3n.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:16:15] Y teniendo en cuenta que este cambio constante de las necesidades de las sociedades, el cambio tecnol\u00f3gico, el crecimiento del conocimiento profesional, exigen que como bibliotecarios pues ampliemos nuestros conocimientos y utilicemos nuestras habilidades de manera continua.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:16:33] \u00bfCu\u00e1les crees t\u00fa que son aquellas habilidades importantes que se necesitan en el campo de la bibliotecolog\u00eda hoy en d\u00eda? Si me puedes mencionar, digamos tres.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:16:45] Tres! H\u00edjole! \u00a0 Mira, se me ocurren varias, pero podr\u00edamos, digamos resumirlas, en una habilidad de comprensi\u00f3n. Es decir, es una habilidad bastante b\u00e1sica. No me refiero a comprensi\u00f3n lectora, sino de tratar de discernir todo aquello que es una capacidad cr\u00edtica. A eso me quiero referir. Una capacidad cr\u00edtica de todo lo que uno lee, de todo lo que consume uno, es una capacidad cr\u00edtica. Me parece una habilidad importante para el campo bibliotecol\u00f3gico hoy en d\u00eda. Tambi\u00e9n una actitud colaborativa. Yo creo que eso es fundamental, sin colaboraci\u00f3n b\u00e1sicamente nos quedamos aislados y no crecemos. Y yo creo que la responsabilidad \u00e9tica puede ser una habilidad importante tambi\u00e9n para todo lo que hacemos, siempre tener esta cuesti\u00f3n \u00e9tica en todo lo que hacemos, en todo lo que desarrollamos, en nuestro actuar, en nuestros desarrollos de investigaciones, en nuestro trato con las dem\u00e1s personas.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:17:47] Entonces, comprensi\u00f3n, colaboraci\u00f3n y \u00e9tica profesional.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:17:52] Que creo que la primera ser\u00eda actitud cr\u00edtica, capacidad cr\u00edtica. Aj\u00e1.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:17:58] Ok, muy bien. S\u00ed. Bueno, mencionaste que eres investigador. \u00bfCu\u00e1les son los temas que m\u00e1s te interesan Investigar ahora? \u00bfque est\u00e1s investigando o cu\u00e1l es tu aspiraci\u00f3n como investigador?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:18:12] Mira, desde 2017 aproximadamente, comenzamos en el Instituto de Investigaciones Bibliotecol\u00f3gicas y de la Informaci\u00f3n a tratar el tema de las noticias falsas, de la desinformaci\u00f3n y bueno, de todos estos nombres que se han venido acumulando para el fen\u00f3meno de la desinformaci\u00f3n.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:18:30] Entonces, ese es el tema que por ahora me est\u00e1 interesando, porque en estos momentos y en este a\u00f1o por la pandemia, pues bueno, el tema fue, es m\u00e1s trascendental y sobre todo est\u00e1 impactando distintas \u00e1reas. Entonces por ahora, digamos, este es el tema central de mi investigaci\u00f3n, aunque naturalmente yo tambi\u00e9n estoy en cuestiones relacionadas con la infodiversidad, el cual es un tema que me apasiona much\u00edsimo, lo he venido trabajando ya desde varios a\u00f1os. La infodiversidad como aquella diversidad informativa que tenemos en el mundo, la variedad de los soportes, de los registros, etc\u00e9tera y c\u00f3mo nosotros como bibliotec\u00f3logos podemos estudiarlos; c\u00f3mo van evolucionando la informaci\u00f3n, la diversidad informativa, etc\u00e9tera. Y tambi\u00e9n por ah\u00ed, que me apasiona mucho, el olvido digital. \u00bfC\u00f3mo es que se van los procesos de descomposici\u00f3n de la informaci\u00f3n digital? Pues cada vez van creciendo, \u00bfcomo es que los sistemas y nosotros como personas vamos olvidando cuestiones digitales? Entonces esos son, digamos, los temas que me interesa investigar, qu\u00e9 est\u00e1n relacionados, muy, muy relacionado con las bibliotecas y la bibliotecolog\u00eda.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> [00:19:43] Sabes que es la primera vez que lo escucho\u2026 contigo aprendo estas palabras. Recuerdo que en la conferencia cuando te escuche hablaste de estos t\u00e9rminos infode\u2026 \u00bfComo dijiste? infodemia,<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">infobesidad me parece\u2026 infoxicaci\u00f3n.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u00a0<\/span><b>Sara<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> infoxicaci\u00f3n. si<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> [00:20:03] Yo no hab\u00eda escuchado ese t\u00e9rmino y ahora hablas de olvido digital [risas]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Si, este es un tema realmente muy, muy interesante porque producimos tanta informaci\u00f3n y ahora podr\u00edamos discutir esto del olvido digital por horas, porque todo ahora lo que hacemos pues est\u00e1 en nuestros aparatos, ya no imprimimos nuestras fotos, tan solo con nuestras fotos. \u00bfno? \u00bfEntonces qu\u00e9 hacemos? \u00bfC\u00f3mo las organizamos? \u00bfC\u00f3mo la recuperamos? Es un tema realmente apasionante.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Sara [00:20:30] Qu\u00e9 curioso, \u00bfno? Porque hablas de c\u00f3mo recuperar la informaci\u00f3n, pero utilizamos otros t\u00e9rminos, \u00bfno? el olvido digital. [risas].\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">As\u00ed es.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> [00:20:44]<\/span> <span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Y \u00bfQu\u00e9 libro o qu\u00e9 lectura compartir\u00edas con nosotros, para nuestro aprendizaje continuo en la carrera?\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:20:55]\u00a0 Bueno, sin duda tenemos much\u00edsimas lecturas muy muy interesantes para nuestro aprendizaje. Pero s\u00ed me gustar\u00eda hablar en esta pregunta, digamos a manera de memoria porque tuvimos una triste noticia hace poco que falleci\u00f3 uno de los grandes pilares de nuestra \u00e1rea aqu\u00ed en M\u00e9xico, del doctor Adolfo Rodr\u00edguez Gallardo.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:21:17] Y tiene una obra impresionante. Tiene un libro muy importante que se <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">llama Formaci\u00f3n Human\u00edstica del bibliotec\u00f3logo: hacia su recuperaci\u00f3n<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">. Se puede encontrar en el repositorio del IIBI y adem\u00e1s estoy seguro de que varios ya lo han le\u00eddo. Pero yo creo que es importante retomar tambi\u00e9n estos valores human\u00edsticos del bibliotec\u00f3logo, que en algunos casos se han difuminado, y adem\u00e1s los traigo a colaci\u00f3n precisamente por la trayectoria del doctor Rodr\u00edguez Gallardo que, pues bueno, yo creo que es importante recordarlo a trav\u00e9s de todo lo que nos ha dejado.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> [00:21:55] \u00bfTienes un mentor, Jonathan?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:21:58] H\u00edjole, pues mira, a lo largo de mi carrera he tenido personas que me han apoyado much\u00edsimo y que sin duda mi desarrollo profesional no hubiera sido el mismo. A lo mejor, mentor como ahora o sea que est\u00e9 a mi lado, pues bueno no, ya se difuminan digamos esas barreras. Pero yo por ejemplo te puedo mencionar varias personas con las que comenc\u00e9 a trabajar. El doctor Roberto Gardu\u00f1o, un gran amigo o colega que fue el que digamos, me inici\u00f3, digamos, porque yo empec\u00e9 a trabajar con \u00e9l. Y por supuesto, tendr\u00eda que mencionar tambi\u00e9n a la doctora Estela Morales, quien ha sido mi tutora de maestr\u00eda y de doctorado, una gran amiga y colega de la que he aprendido much\u00edsimo.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:22:39] \u00bfY alguna persona de la carrera que te inspire, que te lleve a la reflexi\u00f3n?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> [00:22:48] Claro. Si Y aqu\u00ed volver\u00e9 a la anterior pregunta, a la de la lectura.\u00a0 Y digo, a manera de memoria, e in memoriam tambi\u00e9n, voy a mencionar al doctor Rodr\u00edguez Gallardo. Sin duda el doctor Rodr\u00edguez me inspira. Lamentablemente, ahora que se nos ha ido, pues ha sido una persona, realmente que durante todos sus a\u00f1os promovi\u00f3 varias cosas. Promovi\u00f3 la IFLA, por ejemplo. Estuvo hace much\u00edsimos a\u00f1os al frente del Comit\u00e9 de IFLA LAC, estuvo en la Junta de Gobierno. Tengo entendido que fue el primer latinoamericano en la Junta de Gobierno. Entonces, vamos, ha sido una persona que inspira, adem\u00e1s de todos los cambios que hizo aqu\u00ed para visibilizar a los profesionales de la bibliotecolog\u00eda en M\u00e9xico y particularmente en la universidad, para que tuvi\u00e9ramos un status, para el que hoy \u00e9l forj\u00f3, digamos, los caminos, para el instituto en el que estoy trabajando actualmente. Entonces, sin duda es una persona que inspira.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:23:49] S\u00ed, ya veo. Voy a buscar su libro,<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara [<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">00:23:52] Bueno, para terminar, voy a proceder a hacerte algunas preguntas r\u00e1pidas y me respondes lo primero que se te venga a la cabeza. No tienes que pensar mucho, simplemente algo corto. Ya entonces, Jonatan, \u00bfqu\u00e9 te quita el sue\u00f1o?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:24:09] H\u00edjole! el calor.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> [00:24:14] Si fueras el personaje de un libro, \u00bfcu\u00e1l te gustar\u00eda ser?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:24:19] Probablemente Mark Alem, de <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">El Palacio de los Sue\u00f1os<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">, que es de un oficinista donde le llegaban los sue\u00f1os de toda su comunidad y los organizaba, los clasificaba y encontraba secretos. Es una novela bastante interesante.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:24:36] S\u00ed, Y te digo, no trata del \u00e1rea como tal, pero pues bueno, imag\u00ednate bibliotecario organizando, clasificando sue\u00f1os \u00bfno? de la gente que llega. No es una cosa, es un viaje impresionante.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:24:50] Si me da curiosidad. \u00bfLa palabra que m\u00e1s usas?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan.<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Digamos profesionalmente ahorita se me ocurren desinformaci\u00f3n, creo que ya he utilizado much\u00edsimo. [risas].\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Ok, iba a decir h\u00edjole. has dicho h\u00edjole varias veces<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan.\u00a0 <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Ya, ahorita h\u00edjole si como buen mexicano [risas].\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara.<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u00a0 Jonathan, \u00bfque has aprendido en esta cuarentena?<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:25:16] Digamos a estar quieto o sentado en las sillas, lo fr\u00e1gil que pueden ser las sillas, si es que estamos \u00a0 a cada rato sentados en el Zoom, etc\u00e9tera. [00:25:27] Entonces, he aprendido a estar quieto.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> [00:25:31] ok una frase que te inspira.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:25:36] Acabo de escuchar una frase en una de estas reuniones que hemos tenido en la IFLA, de que la estructura va de la mano con la estrategia. Entonces justo antier la escuch\u00e9 y hoy te la traigo en la mente muy fresca.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> [00:25:55] A ver. Un buen consejo profesional que te han dado.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:25:59] H\u00edjole!\u00a0 volv\u00ed a decir h\u00edjole! Bueno, me han dado, realmente he tenido la fortuna de que me han dado bastantes consejos. Uno de los que m\u00e1s recuerdo ha sido el que me comentaron hace alg\u00fan tiempo.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:26:10] Me dijeron que si te cierran una puerta, que no importa. Da la vuelta y entras por la de atr\u00e1s y vas a salir por la de adelante.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> [00:26:23] [risas] OK Jonathan, muchas gracias por estar aqu\u00ed. Esto ha sido todo.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:26:27] Much\u00edsimas gracias, Sara, y los felicito realmente por esta serie de podcast y les mand\u00f3 un gran saludo.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:26:34] Este fue el podcast de CPDWL Hasta la pr\u00f3xima.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>______________________________________________________________________________________<\/p>\n<p><b>Translation into English \/\u00a0<\/b><b>Podcast CPDWL in Spanish<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Guest: Jonathan Hern\u00e1ndez (Mexico)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Host: Sara Ulloa (Peru)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Transcript<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:00:02] Hello, welcome to the Podcast Project of the IFLA\u2019s Section for Continuing Professional Development and Workplace Learning (CPDWL)\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">This is a project where we talk with library and information sciences professionals, to learn about their professional development. In this episode our guest is Jonathan Hern\u00e1ndez, from Mexico, a young, aspiring librarian, with a strong leadership.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I met Jonathan when I attended his conference at the Pontifical Catholic University of Peru. He likes to participate in conferences where he advocates for access to information, inclusion of libraries in the UN 2030 Agenda, and internet governance.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">He attended UNAM, the National Autonomous University of Mexico, where he is currently very active as associate researcher at the Institute of Libraries and Information, and member of the \u201cInformation and Society\u201d seminar where topics such as misinformation, censorship, privacy and digital forgetting are discussed.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> [00:01:15] Welcome Jonathan!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:01:18] Thank you very much Sara, it is a real pleasure to be here, sharing with you, and specially for IFLA, all those topics we will be talking about.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> [00:01:29] Good. I would like to start by talking a little bit about your beginnings, when you were pondering what to study. What is it that made you choose Librarianship? Was there something that influenced your decision?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:01:43] Well, your question is very interesting. Normally when we are choosing a career, we are often asked that question. As you know Librarianship is not exactly the most popular career when you are looking for a way to get into university. So, there are those who already know something about it, either through a friend or a close relative who studied it and recommended it, or because they grew up with a strong connection with libraries. In my case, I have two relatives who studied librarianship. One of them is doing something else, but I looked at the curriculum and told myself, \u201clet\u2019s see what it is that this career offers me.\u201d And I liked it. In fact, I liked it on the spot, and besides, indirectly, my life has always been somehow marked by libraries and, truth be said, I never thought I would be dedicating myself to it a hundred percent. But that is what drove me. I was curious to know what was that all about, and I loved it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> [00:02:54] So, what is it that you liked best of the profession?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:02:58] What I really liked were the possibilities that you can have, that is, the variety of approaches that our career, our discipline, has. When you begin, and I think it happens with all careers, there is some uncertainty. What kind of work will I have?\u00a0 Will I really be doing only one set of tasks? Maybe just in cataloguing; or only in services; or only users. But each area offers impressive possibilities. See, just organization of knowledge is now maximized with data, the large amount of information we produce, etc. So, what thrills me more is all these possible targets of our discipline, and above all, the community, the community that it generates, builds up, and shares.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> [00:03:49] And what has been your work experience as librarian, in the library field?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:03:56] Well. We are fortunate. I say this because librarianship is a career where there are not big numbers of students, so the labour market is in a way quite broad.\u00a0 Then usually, at least here in my country, when you are about halfway in your career, you can start inserting yourself into the labour market little by little. Therefore, I started cataloguing, with tasks related to digital libraries, and that helped me a lot. This is really a fascinating field where you can learn a lot, because it is a matter of semantic structure, relationships, etc. Later, when life took me on the path of library education, I started working towards a higher degree in librarianship and information studies in the Faculty of Philosophy and Letters of the UNAM. So, then I decided to study for a Master and a Doctorate. After that I went full time into research. But, along the way, I worked on several projects with libraries and associations, and a few other things.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u00a0<\/span><b>Sara <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:05:08] Now that you mention it, you really have a wide experience, and you have a doctorate in librarianship. Now I would like to touch on your participation with defence associations.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:05:22] For a young person, you have a large participation with those groups, both in your country and abroad. For example, in Mexico, you were president of the <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Colegio Nacional de Bibliotecarios<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">. What was the biggest challenge you had to deal with?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:05:38] Thank you Sara. In effect I participated from the time I finished my studies, for example in the case of the <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Colegio<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">. As you probably know, to be a member of the <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Colegio<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> you need to have the degree so, as soon as I finished my studies and obtained my degree, I joined and started going to their congresses and others. I had a participation in AMBAC when I was still studying. They have a students\u2019 forum which I consider very valuable, particularly because they start introducing young people to the professional associations\u2019 world.\u00a0 As for the challenges, I believe all associations have the same, very important, challenges: membership, positioning the association and visibility. Therefore, I think those were the greatest challenges I had to face during the administration I had the honour to preside. And, also, to demonstrate that young people can be up to facing those challenges. And I hope that I and my board proved we were up to it. Most of us were young, but fortunately we also had people with experience, and I think there you find the key. I want to say, to connect and cooperate young people with those who have experience, because we have a lot to learn. So, for me, these were the greatest challenges: membership, positioning the association and showing that young people can conduct and be up to the task.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> [ [00:07:04] Well, you know, that surprises me. I was just discussing with some colleagues about the lack of participation in the associations of the young colleagues; it almost doesn\u2019t happen, at least not in my country. It seems that we wait to finish our studies and then let many more years go by. Besides, it is not easy, because if you have not finished your degree, it is the same in Peru, you cannot be part of the <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Colegio<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">, right?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> True.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> I am one of them, and I cannot be a member of the <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Colegio<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> because I am still writing my thesis. This is why I find it interesting that you share your experience with us.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:07:45] And regarding the participation at the international level, well, you are a member of IFLA and part of the Freedom of Access to Information and Freedom of Expression (FAIFE) Advisory Committee, right?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:07:59] Yes, I am.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> [00:08:01] And now? You have recently been elected member of their Board, IFLA\u2019s Governing Board. Tell us a bit about it, what is it all about and what are your expectations related to that position.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:08:18] Sure. Look, it has been a very rewarding experience. I would like to tell you that my first participation in IFLA happened about ten years ago. Yes, around 2010 there was a competition, IFLA selected the best of papers presented by students, and we were selected. I had the support of my university and went [to the Congress]. That year it was in Gothenburg, yes, and I could see the dimension of IFLA, everything that it does, the cooperation among people, the international membership. And I attended the FAIFE section. Ever since, I have been very active in IFLA, and with FAIFE, because I really liked their way of defending and approaching the topics related to freedom of expression and access to information, from the librarianship point of view. There are many interesting things happening in this Committee. They have produced regulations, guidelines on questions affecting all these liberties and things that can constitute threats. We also had a very interesting webinar on privacy, and have collaborated also with other sections, to, for example, discuss and fight fake news, etc.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:09:41] That\u2019s it and with regard to the Governing Board. I would also like to comment briefly that I applied to the IFLA call for its International Leaders Programme. This programme was quite interesting, there were about eight of us selected, I don\u2019t remember the exact number, but we became very good friend and colleagues, friends from different parts of the world; just a form of training to make it possible for us to be able to inspire, become leaders and be able to collaborate with our colleagues and our friends here in our countries. This leadership programme provided me with the opportunity to get to know the insides of IFLA, and later to establish relationships, be able to contribute and also, be able to attend several events representing IFLA. It was a wonderful experience, and of course made me feel more in love with IFLA, and that was the step that prompted me to be a candidate to the Governing Board. Now, as a member of the board, what we do is show the way to where IFLA goes; that is, approve some issues, propose subjects, and take care of the financial situation, the sustainability of our Federation. And particularly now we are immersed in some reforms for a new governance of IFLA, which is quite interesting. This is an extremely important change, because IFLA has existed for quite a number of years, it has been changing structures at certain times, but now, now this very important change is coming because some amendments have been proposed to make it a more inclusive federation, and this is what we have been working on all this year.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:11:32] Great. Regarding participation, now that you are in the Governing Board, how do you see this region\u2019s participation? How do you see the participation of Latin America in the committees?\u00a0 <\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:11:57] I believe there are many opportunities. We also need to see the needs of each country. What I have seen during the recent years, is that there is a more active participation of Latin America. Of course, we need more, we want more, specially more of the young members. Latin America has had an important trajectory within IFLA. Some countries have had, let\u2019s say, great opportunities, they have had more influence because of their size, or their libraries situation, or their librarianship institutions. Thus, we have Brazil, Mexico Argentina, etc., but now more countries are getting involved, and this is because of technology, the inclusion mechanisms created by IFLA, and thanks to the fact that, bit by bit, Latin Americans are participating in committees.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:12:53] You are a clear example, Sara, being in this committee, and some others that are in other committees, not necessarily the Latin America committee. So, people turn back to watch us, and we also propose issues. And I would like to stop here to deal with the situation of youth involvement in defence associations in Latin America. Very often the associations or unions movements are not attractive for the young for many reasons: they don\u2019t see themselves represented, they are involved in the same practices from decades ago, there are no programs for new professionals, so this is a situation that stops them, and I think it is necessary to refresh these movements. But it is also important that young professionals be present and get involved, otherwise they become lazy. Just to say, oh but the association doesn\u2019t think of me, the association is that, or the other, it is always the same. But if I don\u2019t go and don\u2019t get involved, then, it is going to continue being the same for many, many years. I think there is willingness, but we must look at the characteristics of the LAC association, because most of them function with volunteer work. And that also limits the ability of the associations to operate.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:14:04] Yes, that\u2019s true. Now I would like to dig a little bit on your professional development. According to the CPD guidelines for librarians, each professional is the main responsible for his or her continuous learning in order to constantly improve their knowledge and abilities. How do you keep up with your professional development? How do you nurture your knowledge and abilities?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:14:33] Well, I think this is a fantastic question because I agree with some of my teachers; in fact, I learned this from one of them: a librarian needs to be permanently up to date, because, as my teacher told us, it would be very shameful for librarians if they were not up to date, right?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:14:52] Regardless of the section, the department, or the service where they are, they need to be up to date with what is happening around them and in the world. After all, we work with information. Therefore, a way of keeping up with our professional studies, other than being aware of the news, etc., is to attend seminars, workshops, and other, when we can spare the time. That is also going to nurture our knowledge and the abilities we may have. Learning, self-learning is fundamental, and particularly during this period of pandemic when we have all the seminars one click away. It is just a matter of finding a bit of time. And I agree with the guidelines to which you made reference. Each professional has, after all, the responsibility to engage in continuous learning, and I would say, this is the way to keep up with your professional development. Keep up with Twitter, Facebook, watch the news; check my interest area, what is being said in Latin America, in the United States, in Europe, in Asia, in other countries, other regions of the world. Because it is also important to have a larger vision of what is going on in the rest of the world, and not keep only the vision of one region.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:16:15] And, considering that this constant change in the needs of societies, the technological change, the growth of professional knowledge, demand that us, as librarians, widen our knowledge and use our capabilities constantly, [00:16:33] Which do you think are those capabilities needed in the librarianship field nowadays? If you could mention, say three.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:16:45] Three! Oh golly! Well. I can think of several, but we could summarize them in an ability to comprehend. This is a very basic capability. I am not referring to reading comprehension but to trying to differentiate everything. that is a critical capability, that is what I want to say.\u00a0 Critical capability towards everything we read, what we consume. Critical capability seems to me an important ability in today\u2019s librarianship. We also need a collaborative attitude. I think this is fundamental, without collaboration we will be basically isolated, and we will not grow.\u00a0 And I think that we should also have ethical responsibility, as it can be an important ability for everything we do, always act with ethics in what we do, what we develop, how we behave, in our research work, in our behaviour with other people.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:17:47] Good, Understanding, collaboration and professional ethics.\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:17:52] For the first one, I would rather say critical attitude, critical capacity, yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:17:58] Very well. Now, you mentioned that you are a researcher. Which are the topics that interest you most nowadays? What are you researching about, or what is it that you want to achieve as a researcher?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:18:12] Well, approximately in 2017 we, at the Research Institute on Librarianship and Information (IIBI), started to deal with the topic of fake news, misinformation and, you know, all those names that are being used to deal with the issue of misinformation.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:18:30] So, this is the topic that interests me most, because now, in this year of the pandemic, the topic has momentum and is having an impact on many areas. So, this is now the core topic of my research, although I continue dealing with issues related to infodiversity, which is a topic of great interest to me and that I have been working for several years. Infodiversity, as in the variety of information we have in the world, the variety of carriers, of records, etc., and how we, librarians, can study them; how information and its diversity evolve, and so on. Another thing that I love is digital forgetting. How does the decomposition of digital information happen? This is something that keeps growing; How is it that systems and persons go about forgetting digital issues? So, these are the topics that I am interested in, as subjects of my research, and which are very much related to libraries and librarianship.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> [00:19:43] You know, this is the first time I hear about this\u2026 I learn all these new words when I talk to you. I remember the presentation I attended, where I head you use some of these words: info something. What is it that you said? infodemia?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u00a0<\/span><b>Jonathan\u00a0 <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think I used<\/span> <span style=\"font-weight: 400\">infobesidad\u00a0 or infoxicaci\u00f3n. (both translate as information overload. T.N)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> infoxicaci\u00f3n, yes<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> [00:20:03] I had never heard that word. And now you talk about digital forgetting [laughs]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u00a0 Yes, this is a really interesting topic, because we produce a lot of information, so now we can spend hours discussing digital forgetting. Everything we do now stays in our electronic devices, we no longer print our photos, just talking about photos, what do we do? How do we organize them? How do we retrieve them? This is a very exciting topic.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:20:30] This is strange because you talk about how to retrieve information, but you use other words, right? digital forgetting.\u00a0 [laughs].\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">True.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> [00:20:44]<\/span> <span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Now. What book or reading would you share with us, for our continuing professional learning?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:20:55] Well, there are certainly very many readings, highly interesting, to further our learning. But I would like to answer this question, let\u2019s say, with a sort of memorial, because we learned recently of the passing of one of the great pillars of our profession here in Mexico, Doctor Adolfo Rodr\u00edguez Gallardo.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u00a0[00:21:17] His works are very impressive. He wrote a very important book entitled <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Formaci\u00f3n Human\u00edstica del bibliotec\u00f3logo: hacia su recuperaci\u00f3n<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">. [Humanistic background of the librarian: towards its recovery]. It can be found in the IIBI repository, and I am almost sure that many have already read it. But I also believe that it is important to go back to these humanistic values of librarians, which in many cases have become blurred, and that I mention here precisely because of Doctor Rodr\u00edguez Gallardo\u2019s trajectory, because I think it is important to remember him through the works he has left us.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> [00:21:55] Do you have a mentor, Jonathan?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:21:58] Oh golly! Well, all along my career I have had people who have helped me a lot, without whom my professional development would not have been the same. Maybe, mentor, as we understand it today, as somebody who is by my side, really not. Those barriers are somehow blurred. But I can mention, for example, several people from the time I started working. Doctor Roberto Gardu\u00f1o, a good friend and colleague who, you could say, started my training as I started working with him. And, of course, I surely must mention Doctor Estela Morales, who was my advisor for the master and the doctorate; a very good friend and colleague from whom I have learned so much.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:22:39] And was there a person in your career that inspires you? Who makes you think back?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> [00:22:48] Yes, of course. And I will go back here to the earlier question about readings. As remembrance and also, in memoriam, I will mention Doctor Rodriguez Gallardo. It is obvious that Doctor Rodriguez inspires me. It is unfortunate that he is now gone, because he was a person who promoted many issues through the years. He promoted IFLA, for example. Many years ago. he was an officer in IFLA-LAC, and in the Governing Board. I understand he was the first Latin American to serve in the Governing Board. Well, he was an inspiring person. He also introduced many changes here to improve the visibility of library professionals in Mexico, particularly in the University; he opened the way to allow us to gain status here in the institute where I currently work. For sure he inspires people.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:23:49] I see, yes. I will look for his book.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>[<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">00:23:52] Now, for the final part, I will ask you some quick questions and you will answer with the first thing that comes to mind. Don\u2019t think much and give me just a short answer. So, Jonathan, what keeps you awake?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u00a0<\/span><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:24:09] oh golly! The heat<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> [00:24:14] If you were a character in a book, who would you like to be?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:24:19] Probably Mark Alem, in <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Palace of Dreams<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">. He is a clerk in an office where all the dreams of the community are deposited, and he organized them, classified them, and found their secrets; it is quite an interesting novel.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:24:36] Yes, I tell you, it is not about our area as such, but imagine that you are a librarian organizing and classifying the dreams of the people. It is not a thing; it is an impressive voyage.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:24:50] Well, I am intrigued. Which is the word you use most?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan.<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> If it is professional, right now I would say misinformation. I think I have used it a lot. [laughs].\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, I was going to say<\/span> <i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">h\u00edjole!<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> [oh golly!] You said it several times<\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">.<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">.\u00a0 Right, <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">h\u00edjole! <\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">yes, like a true Mexican<\/span> <span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[laughs].\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b><i>Sara.<\/i><\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u00a0 Jonathan, what have you learned during this quarantine?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:25:16] I would say, I have learned to be still when sitting on a chair. Chairs can be really fragile, and we are constantly sitting for Zoom, etc. So, I have learned to be still.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> [00:25:31] OK. A phrase that inspires you.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:25:36] I just heard a phrase in one of the IFLA meetings we have had, that says that structure goes hand in hand with strategy. I just heard it two days ago and today it is very fresh in my mind.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> [00:25:55] Let\u2019s see. A good professional advice that you received.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:25:59] Oh golly!\u00a0 I said it again, [<\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">h\u00edjole!]<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Well, I have been fortunate to have received a lot of good advice. One that I remember most often is one that I received a while ago.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:26:10] They told me that, if they close a door on you, it does not matter. You turn around and enter through the back door, and you will exit by the front door.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> [00:26:23] [laughs] OK Jonathan, thank you very much for being here. This has been all.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jonathan <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:26:27] Thank you very much, Sara, and congratulate your Section for this series of podcast and send them my best greetings.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Sara <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[00:26:34] This was a CPDWL podcast. Until next time.<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Colleagues, we are excited to announce the our final episode of the CPDWL Podcast Project (Season 2) where we feature library and information professionals who support and participate in professional development work. To see the episode, see here:\u00a0https:\/\/anchor.fm\/ifla-cpdwl\/episodes\/S2E6-Jonathan-Hernndez-with-Sara-Ulloa-In-Spanishen-Espaol-eo3apu Transcript and translation are below. Transcribed\/Translated by Juanita de Sumar. 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